Heather Welch, Edx Education today we will be in conversation with Hunter Clarke-Fields, Author, mindful mama mentor.
Hunter is the creator of the Mindful Parenting course, host of the Mindful Mama podcast, and author of the bestselling book, “Raising Good Humans: A Mindful Guide to Breaking the Cycle of Reactive Parenting and Raising Kind, Confident Kids.”
Hunter shares the new path to changing generational patterns and raising confident kids. She helps parents get their kids to listen without losing their sh*t, bringing more calm and peace into their daily lives.
Hunter is a certified mindfulness teacher with over twenty years of experience in meditation practices and has taught mindfulness to thousands worldwide. She is a mother of two active daughters, who challenge her every day!
Today we will be chatting to Hunter about, the challenges of being of parenting today, mindfulness and her book raising good humans.
Here are the highlights:
{02:34} I wanted to parent more consciously
{05:39} I needed some mindfulness practice
{07:45} Develop a habit of a practice
{16:57} Create a bigger awareness and choose what is helpful
{21:57} Practice self-compassion
{25:55} Empathy is a parenting superpower
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Heather
Welcome, everyone. I’m Heather Welch from edx education. And today I’ll be in conversation with Hunter Clark Fields, author and mindful mama mentor. Hunter’s the creator of mindful parenting course, host of the mindful mama podcast, and author of the bestselling book ‘Raising Good Humans’, a mindful guide to breaking the cycle of reactive parenting and raising kind confident kids.
Hunter shares the new path to changing generational patterns and raising confident kids. She helps parents get their kids to listen without losing their S. H. I. T.— I can’t say it on the apple podcast—bringing more calm and peace into their daily lives. Hunter is a certified mindful teacher with over 20 years’ experience in meditation practices and has taught mindfulness to thousands around the world.
She’s a mother of two very active daughters who challenge her every day in mindfulness practices. Today, we’re chatting to Hunter about the challenge of being a parent today, mindfulness, and her book, ‘Raising Good Humans’. Welcome Hunter, it’s wonderful to have you here today.
Hunter
Glad to be here, Heather.
Heather
Thank you so much. Can I ask you to introduce yourself to our listeners and what brought you on this amazing journey of being a parenting expert?
Hunter
Sure. Um, I think I came to this because I went through life and I had, you know, I was good at doing things, good at getting good grades, and getting into college and doing the things one does. And then I got to parenting and I was suddenly very bad. I was… felt like I was really… failing actually, you know, I, with my daughter was like 18 months old, two years old, and I was yelling at her. I had this temper like comment arising in me and I was just… I felt so guilty and terrible about it because it was the exact opposite of how I wanted to parent my child. I thought, you know, I thought I, I could just choose to parent my child a certain way, and then that would happen. And it was quite a shock to the system. And so I dove into how to, how to parent more consciously, more effectively. And, and I. You know, I, I learned a lie, went into many, many different trainings and things, but basically I, I, I learned that, uh, all of these things that people teach us how to respond to our kids. You know, you should respond this way and that’s all well and good, but, but it’s all as good as useless unless you can really calm your reactivity. You know, if you can’t, unless you can take care of your, your triggers right, from your own childhood. So there’s like a lot of inner work that goes with it. And that’s what I really wanted to, um, contribute to the conversation.
Heather
It’s really interesting because that’s the thing that er, um, I’ve been listening to Raising Good Humans and it’s, uh, it’s got some very raw stories and emotions, and actually you’re very honest with it in the book as well. Uh, you know, there’s some things that resonated with me, you know, with my own parenting or my own parents’ parenting. But I, you know, I thought that was really interesting. One of the points that you did raise is changing the generational patterns. And is this the point, is this the, where you felt you nneeded to make the change in order for your children to, you know, I suppose parent, or just get on with life in a different way, in a more positive way.
Hunter
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, so when I was, you know, when I had yelled at my daughter who was, you know, a tiny little toddler, she was so cute. I could see, I scared her. You know, I could see that it was, you know, damaging the relationship. It was putting distance between us instead of connection. It was making all the other parenting harder. Right? And I couldn’t really understand, that, oh, this is, this is exactly what I didn’t want, because this is what happened to me. You know, my father had a huge temper. He would rage down the hallway. I remember being scared and hiding behind the door. And I realized that like her, my daughter’s on a, you know, big feelings, big upset feelings. They felt in my body, they felt viscerally. Like this is unacceptable. Like I couldn’t, it was unacceptable. And I realized that. That’s the lesson. I was taught through my father’s behavior and, and, and he was taught that through my, you know, my grandparents and, and I could see it going down the line, how I was reproducing exactly what I didn’t want if I didn’t deal with it, if I didn’t take a way to understand. And, and this, this trigger, right? That wasn’t a choice I made. I didn’t want to yell at my child. I didn’t choose to yell at my child. It was, it, it was, there’s a whole nervous system reaction and also conditioned, you know, it was conditioned in me, this feeling that, that her having big upset feelings was unacceptable.
So, I had to, I could really kind of see that after I picked myself up off the floor and stopped crying, then I did start to see that, you know, I’d had some mindfulness practice before then I could really see that. And so I knew that I really had to dive back into this mindfulness training, which had really given me so much more equanimity, you know, for the last couple of years. I really had to bring it back so that I could, you know, so I could, it, it really is actually a muscle sort of that you build. I could, so I could build this muscle of non-reactivity, of calming myself. And that was the most essential step. Absolutely.
Heather
And to ours, I remember, when my children were really young and I’d be really frustrated the way that I’d come myself is I’d sing the next instruction and I’d be singing all the instructions because it was the only way I could stop myself from probably yelling at them to do something, so I’d be singing the instruction. If they had to clean up the room, anything, we’re trying to get out the door, if we’re leaving the park, honestly, I probably looked nuts, but it seemed to work. It worked for me and it worked for them. So it was one of those funny little… tactics that I did quite early when my children were young, but you know…
Hunter
I suppose skillful…
Heather
Well, I think it was one of those things. Do you know when you, when you’re, when you’ve got the middle of the night and you’re settling your see … when, sorry, this is when your children are really young, and you’re sitting in the middle of the night, I used to always to just sing to them or anything like that. I’m not the greatest singer. I’d probably get taken off stage, however, in a bedroom or a shower, it’s probably okay. So I always find that calms them and it calms me because you would get frustrated after an hour of settling or, you know, whatever it would be. And I ended up just singing myself to sleep and them to sleep. So I used to find that it worked when I was at the playground as well. This is one of, I wouldn’t call it mind… I dunno. I suppose as my stress trigger, wasn’t it? My stress response rather than a mindfulness technique, but you know, you’re, you talk a lot about mindfulness and you know, how it’s helpful. Can you talk about how it’s helpful when we are in that stress response?
Hunter
Sure. I mean, there’s two ways it can be helpful in that moment. It does really help parents to develop a habit of a practice, right. And then build that, that calming our stress response muscle because, you know, if we think of like our kid’s tantrum or whatever it is, or they’re getting really upset at us. Like that’s kinda like the parenting big game, right? Like where we really have to show up with all our skills and you know, in at least in the States, maybe you guys have some, some little league cricket, but we have little… we have little league baseball for kids. And, um, and, and there’s this thing called like the Little League World Series where they’re literally on TV, like it’s televised around the country. And like, you wouldn’t, you wouldn’t put your kid in the Little League World Series, right in the big, big game, without any practice, without any coaching, without any muscle memory of how to swing that bat.
And it’s the same for us in our big moments that we can’t actually expect ourselves to get to a really frustrating, really triggering, really difficult moment, and think, oh, I’m going to sing like Heather suggested, or I’m going to pause right now that you know, that the Hunt… and walk away as Hunter suggested.
So it really does take a little bit of building that muscle and practice. So I really think regular practice is, is really, really essential, but in those moments we can… use mindfulness to walk ourselves back. And what mindfulness basically is, is a very conscious awareness of what is really happening in the present moment without, you know, without judging it, with kindness, with an attitude of kindness and curiosity. So you, you have, you’re choosing to be aware with this attitude of kindness and curiosity. So how do I do that when I’m getting triggered Hunter? Well, one of the things you can do is to be more aware in those moments, you can start to… say what you’re seeing, say what you feel like I’m feeling very, like, even if you’re really starting to like, get upset, like one of the best ways I think people can be more, more skillful in those moments is to, you could even yell, “I’m feeling really angry right now.” And that’s great because you’re just… you’re saying, honestly, what’s real, right? You’re stating your feelings and what it can be is a bell of mindfulness to say, you know, when the last time I did that, I think my 11-year-old was nine and she, I got like so triggered when she laughed at me and it was bedtime, it was post movie night, I got so mad. I was like a raging volcano. And I said, “I’m so angry right now.” And I slammed the door and I walked outside. But it was this cue for me to like, go walk off my anger. Right. Um, and so we can do that even further down the line.
We can say, you know, “You’re yelling, there’s a whole mess here. I’m starting to feel really frustrated.” Like just saying what’s happening, literally, like. I’m, I’m seeing this mess. I’m feeling frustrated. I’m feeling my jaw tightened. I’m starting to like get, you know, I feel like my muscles burning and I’m going to take a break. Right? Because when you start to say those things out loud to your child, to yourself, I’m feeling really frustrated. I can feel my jaw tight. Like then you’re, it kind of can get through to the rest of your brain, which is being hijacked by fight flight or freeze, right? That, that you may need to go take a break and calm down before you respond to the situation.
Heather
I know. And then I suppose it becomes a bit of a cycle. Cause I know that yelling out the door, get your shoes on, we’re going to school and you’re yelling and yelling and you’re trying to get them out the door the whole time.
And I suppose that’s when it is probably the most important to, to implement this mindfulness as a parent, you know, especially in busy lives in, in our busy lives. I always remember I did this really. I did a yoga class once and I, you know, it was really into the year I was really into. The class came out, extremely relaxed, busy job came out really relaxed, and then I had a parking ticket or something on my car. And I remember kicking the tire thinking, oh, that’s just gone out the door. Hasn’t it. But it was just the straightaway. It’s like, oh, you know, you just had that response, that stress response. And that was before children. No. But my, I do know that my children do push. They push all boundaries and sometimes you feel that unless you yell, they don’t listen. And I think that’s the cycle that we get caught up in, you know? So how is it that we can implement this mindfulness? Because life is busy, you know, have you got little techniques and tips to give us, to help us through.
Hunter
It is really busy and yeah, we can get caught in this cycle and it’s frustrating because kids start to tune us out. When we, when we yell, when we bark orders and things like that, they, it’s not very effective because they’d become resistant to everything we say, right. If we’re not speaking respectfully to them, right? They’re not going to speak respectfully back to us either. So I’ve taught, you know, people …and very busy parents, how to create mindfulness practice in their life. And the weird thing is, and people, all kinds of people in very highly stressed situations like, you know, active, active duty military people practice, and what people find is that if you take a few minutes… if you take five minutes to yourself to sit in quiet, you actually gain a little time. On the other hand, it sounds like, and it may feel like at first another thing to do, but it actually kind of frees up our time because what happens is mindfulness shifts the way our brain works.
It actually makes… The research has shown that over an eight-week course of mindfulness training, your prefrontal cortex actually becomes thicker and more dense. And the areas in charge of your fight, flight and freeze stress response, the amygdalae, they actually become less dense in grey matter. And so you’re actually literally changing your brain.
And since everything in our lives is filtered through our mind, we start to change the brain to become, we become better at focus. You know, we become better at like pulling ourselves back from distraction. And so it… five minutes that at first feels like something else to do, but I guarantee you, if you got five minutes on social media, you, you got five minutes for this, right?
Like it, it, it feels like something else to do at first, but it can be done like right before bed or even while nursing a child or all kinds of different situations, but if we can sit in quiet, we can sit with a guided meditation, you know, even an app or whatever, and at a regular basis, what happens is it really does start to free up our time that was lost to distraction, lost to rumination, lost, to kind of all that spiralling out and distraction that we really, research shows we often lose about 50% of our attention to that. Then we start to gain that back and we gain more time. So. So it, it can, it can really, really help in that way.
Heather
So, you know, I mean, you’re obviously a massive advocate for mindfulness, but have you found that it’s changed your, your children’s behavior?
Hunter
Yeah, I mean, well, my children are, uh, an allergy to mindfulness because their mother is the mindful mama mentor. So even if, when we ask for like a moment to just, you know, maybe 20 seconds to breathe before we eat dinner, you know, they, they tend to be very, very fidgety for that. But what it changes is me. Right?
So I have always been incredibly, highly sensitive person, obviously. I’ve I, I have this temper, right. I was always, I used to be. Sort of like very, be very rollercoastery in my emotions. And I would fall into these pits. And after of, of I would fall into the sort of pits of depression and not feeling like I … feeling very overwhelmed by life every week or two or so for basically the first 27 years of my life. And then after a few months of doing a regular mindfulness meditation practice, those pits went away.
You know, it’s not that I don’t feel the feelings anymore. I feel all the different feelings, but what it helps me do is like, I start to see, you know, we tend to pull ourselves in, in like kind of a downwards spiral of thoughts. And then what it helps me do is helps me say, oh, look, I’m thinking this—that’s not very helpful.
And you know, so it’s kind of like when at first, like for most of ourlives, we’re we’re in a waterfall of thoughts and we’re just under the water. Right. And that’s just the way life is. And what mindfulness helps us do is start to actually is once in a while, maybe few times a day, we step out in front of the waterfall and we say, oh, look, there’s a waterfall of thoughts.
And we start to have a, like a bigger awareness and that helps us to sort of choose what’s helpful and choose what’s not helpful. It gives us that little space between stimulus and response with which to make a choice. And that just makes all the difference in the world to my parenting, because I was a lot like my dad, I was really reactive. I mean, it was, it was just conditioned into me. I’m highly sensitive. I got a big temper, you know, and, and for me to be able to calm that down and make a choice, you know, 80% more of the time than I used to be able to make a choice. I mean, it makes all the difference in the world. My 14-year-old still likes to like, hang out with me. You know, she doesn’t hate me at 14. And, uh, that was not the case of my own experience when I was 14. So …
Heather
No, that’s really nice. And do you know, I suppose parents, over the past 12 months, you’ve had found well— in the U S and the UK it’s very similar. We’ve had many schools, depending on where you are, closing, you’ve been in a highly stressful situations. And maybe people have kind of lost their way a bit and need a little bit of even simple techniques. I know. I mean, in, you know, keeping your call in one of the first chapters of your book and you were talking about, I think it was, I think it must be the first time you just saying, and it’s such a simple thing is to speak to your children the way that you want to be spoken to.
Because when you do raise your voice, they do raise it back. They do get that sort of attitude. I even find that with my 11-year-old, which is quite interesting. So I was thinking you’re not even a teenager yet, you’re not allowed to behave like this. That’s my first thought, but you know, it is true, but I love the title of your book, ‘Raising Good Humans’, you know, can you tell our listeners what they expect from reading this?
Hunter
Well, it’s a… it’s a small book. It doesn’t take long to read it, but it’s very full of actionable things to do, because what I was frustrated with when I went on my intensive course of learning was I wanted to know how, okay, how do I respond that way? How do I calm down? How do I actually pause? Like how do I do that when I’m losing my bananas?
Like, so, so it has you know, I encourage people to use a journal to, to really do the practices and and you do, they can be really, really transformative. So yeah, you can expect a lot of that and, and yeah, very practical advice. I think it’s a very practical book. I see mindfulness as a very practical tool, kind of like a 2,600-year-old brain hack. You know that if we actually just stop a little, we can start to shift a lot of things, but, but there’s also tools on yeah, like you said, communication, how to communicate more skillfully. What not to say to your kids that we, things we habitually say to our kids kind of that are just in the cultural mill, that are, are often really, really ineffective. And not very helpful.
So yeah, it really is about shifting generational patterns and, and kind of looking at, you know, what does research tell us is helpful? What, you know, what actually is helpful when we step back and look at parenting and how we respond to our kids.
Heather
It’s the hardest thing is how you respond to your children because I suppose it depends on how they, what’s happened in their day, what’s happened in your day, and you always need to keep your cool. However, it is hard at times, you know, you’ll hit, you might, someone might have their toddler, someone may have a work call,sSomeone may have a deadline and then you’ll be doing dinner and then you’ll be thinking, okay, I need to get everything done for the week. If this one’s got football, this one’s got basketball. This one has to go… to swimming. Oh, I haven’t got this… You know, you always have something as a, as a mom or as a caregiver, you’ve always got what’s happening next. And so that’s the busy-ness within it. And as you’re saying, it’s the waterfall of thoughts. But it’s trying to structure those thoughts as well. Which, I mean, I can’t, I must admit I don’t do very well all the time. I’m not sure about you. It does take, take a little bit.
But you always, you, you had been talking as well about, um, breaking the cycle of reactive parenting and raising kind, confident kids. What are your top two tips for this?
Hunter
Well, I think that we all… You know, we all need some habits that are going to steady our heart, our mind, and our nervous system. Our nervous system is primed, totally wired for reactivity. And that’s just how human beings are. That’s normal. So it does take active effort to calm down that stress response.
Like, get … you know, do all those things to help you be less stressed, like get enough sleep, get proper support as best you can, get, get more support than you think you should need for your kids. And then also, like I would encourage people, you know, there’s a lot that I encourage. I want people to understand their triggers and things like that. But I think that one of the most helpful things is a practice of self-compassion. Starting to see, you know, because you’re gonna be inevitably human and mess up. Nobody’s perfect. I’m not perfect. We’re all going to yell at our kids, sometimes. We’re all gonna make mistakes. That’s just part of the process.
And actually it wouldn’t really help our kids if they had completely perfect parents. Anyway, we, they, we wouldn’t want that for our kids, but anyway, we’re going to make mistakes. We’re going to mess up. How are you talking to yourself in those moments when you aren’t at your best, you know, are you harsh and mean to yourself? Are you really judgmental to yourself? And if you start to notice that, you start to become aware, more mindful of what does that inner voice sound like? Then you can start to change it and you can start to, even if it feels really awkward and uncomfortable, start to talk to yourself as if you would, someone you really cared and loved about, as if you were talking to a best friend. You know, offer yourself that compassion.
This is hard. It’s hard to be a parent without all this support. You know, this was a stinky moment and you can begin again, you know, all the … offer yourself that compassion. So I recommend some self-compassion practice and other practices that just will steady your, steady your heart, your mind, and your nervous system.
Heather
That’s good advice. Do you find now, like, I suppose there’s a, you know, everyone’s connected through social media or through any of these everyone’s so connected these days and that, you know, as a parent you’ll go online and you can see someone with someone that’s an absolute perfect baby sleeps, you know? I don’t know, mine never slept through the night, but they slept through the night from six weeks old or they have amazing, you know, they just haven’t, they just seem to have an amazing life as you’re traveling around the world. Do you find this is, has a huge negative effect, other people, I suppose if you’re looking for say negative, you’ll find it anyway, but to other people… For first time mums, do you ever come across this?
The inter…? I suppose it’s, I dunno, we sort of call it unicorn parenting. I don’t know. It’s not perfect parenting at all.
Hunter
Yeah, I like that. I like that unicorn parenting. Yeah. I mean, I think we have to be aware of like our environment, what really matters. Like, you know, you think of like, we all understand that what we take in, as far as our food and our nutriments, like that really matters, right? And shapes who we are. But also what we take in through our eyes, the conversations we have, the books we read, the things we listen to like this, like these are also… things that we can we take in that can either be nutriments or to us, or they can be junk food and they can be detrimental to us.
And we have to think about, you know, we’re very influenced by our environment by what’s around us. So I invite… I invite you to be very selective about what you take in and whether that’s feeding what’s best in you and what isn’t. And then I have to say, I’m, I’m not, I don’t take in anything that’s I watch Netflix and whatnot, but like, I’m very careful about like, I’m not going to end my day with the news.
I’m gonna, I’m not gonna I’m, I’m, I’m practicing to like really reduce that Instagram scrolling and just to be, and to also like unfollow anything that doesn’t water good seeds in me. Right. And to, you know, to, to simplify. You’re not only your physical environment, but also your media environment to be conscious of what kind of seeds is it, watering in you? Is it helping you or is it hurting you? And that’s a really important question to ask ourselves.
Heather
That comes back to being self-aware. I mean, be having the self-awareness to actually understand what it is doing to you. Um, there’s something that you refer to, you refer to the parenting superpower as empathy. So why is it empathy on top of everything? Why do you say that’s the parenting soup? That power?
Hunter
Well, you know, empathy is the ability to understand and feel what other people, others feel. And I think that’s important. That’s incredible for our kids, uh, for parenting because, you know, can we go into a situation… uh, when our, when our kids come to us and they have a problem, right? Or something’s going on with them, or really anytime they’re like coming to us, right. They want to be seen and heard. And if we can take a moment and pause our to do list. If we can put the laptop lid down a little, put the phone down a little, crouch down and really look at them and say, you know, what’s going on for you?
Like, cause your kids are going to say something, but they have some feelings and some needs underneath what they’re saying. And they’re not going to say. “Er, excuse me, mother. I would like to process this difficult thing that happened earlier and I’m feeling very upset.” No, they’re going to have some, maybe what we see as, we label as bad behavior. But if we can see the behavior as, uh, oh, you know, a communication, right? And then if we have some empathy, we can look at like, okay, what are you feeling right now? What’s going on with you bringing this curiosity and kindness to our children rather than like reflexive labeling. And that, that can serve us really well. Cause if I can say. Uh, you know, if I can say to you, oh man, Heather, you’ve had such a hard day and this has gotta be really upsetting for you right now to your child. Right. Then, then they feel seen, they feel heard. And if you can really see and hear them, then it really just takes the emotional temperature of a lot of situations with our kids, way, way down and allows some space to process whatever’s going on.
Heather
I suppose and then it opens the communication, the communication. You don’t have the, don’t have the barriers as a teenager, I s…for you get more and more barriers for communication.
Hunter
Well, I just want to add to that, like even like for little kids, right? So these things matter, like and this matters for teens. So if. You’re a little kid. You’re trying to get out the, say you’re trying to get out the door, and your little kid has a problem with their shoes or whatever.
And you crouched down and say to your kid, I bet this, this is, you know, this is really frustrating. You want to get this and we don’t have time to get this and, and that’s gotta be hard for you. And you listen when your child has something to say to you, you listen, empathetically and understandingly.
Then when you have a teen, they’re going to tell you stuff, right? They’re going to tell you what’s going on with you. If you’ve, if you’ve been listening to their frustratingly annoying stories about my little ponies, when they’re four, they’re gonna talk to you when they’re 14 and that’s, that’s really, really a gift.
It allows you to retain, you know, your influence, um, in a really, really important time.
Heather
And as you mentioned before, they still want to hang out with you at 14. It’s quite a good feat. I know you’ve got some amazing resources on your mindful mama mentor website, and you also do a parenting course, a mindful course.
So can you just have a quick chat about that to let our listeners know? I’m assuming that’s online. So it’s worldwide. It’s not just the USA.
Hunter
Oh, yeah, it is worldwide. Yeah. So the mindful parenting course and everything, and the podcast and the book, it’s all@mindfulmamamentor.com and the mindful parenting courses.
The way I like to teach it is as like a lifetime membership so that we can give people, you know, all the parent coaching they need, as they come back at different ages and stages, it’s been fascinating to watch families as they grow in different times of their children’s life. And, uh, and yeah that’s all@mindfulmamamentor.com along with other free resources and, and the mindful mama podcast.
Fantastic.
Heather
Thank you so much for joining us today. I just want to say I really loved, I love being… listening to Raising Good Humans and I really loved… it’s good. If anyone’s out there and wants to have a re… I was calling it a parenting 101. So it’s the book that didn’t come when the child came. I needed it, you know, maybe a couple of, well 11, 12 years ago
Um, but, but you know, for keeping calm within yourself and you’re breaking, um, generational changes, disarming emotions. And I think that’s a big one in my family is because my son has big emotions. My toddler has his big emotions that come out. And sometimes it’s really horrible. I sometimes giggle because it’s really cute when they’re four, and it’s not the right response he wanted, but it’s really sweet because they, you know, stomps their feet. I’m so cross he’s able to tell you I’m so cross with you, mommy, you broke my, this, you broke my sandcastle. You cut my toes. You can’t help but giggle, and it’s really not the right resource to give him, then he gets more cross.
So I think it’s a really interesting, it’s a really great way if you haven’t, you know, if you do have children with large, uh, big behaves or even yourself, as you said, you know, if you have that temper and you know, we all have it at times, we’re frustrated, we’re busy. We’re trying to do too many things. And you know, the one beauty of the pandemic when everything closed down is that we all had to come back and change our lives slightly. We had to close it down a little bit and you have to think we had to, you know, go back to mind. What’s what’s important. What’s not. And you know, we had that time, which was actually very good for everyone. So thank you so much Hunter for joining us today. And I recommend everyone having on audible, having listened to raising good humans, or even having a look at all the free resources on mindfulmamamentor.com.
And we look forward to hearing more, we’ll follow your next book or we’ll see what’s going to happen sometime.
Hunter
Thank you so much, Heather. I really appreciate you sharing your time with me today.
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